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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2329</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie, I am not propagating anything other than free speech.  I do not hate Jews.  I do not hate Muslims.  The opinion that I have is that I should be allowed to post these images, which is why I posted the images.  Jamie, you will enjoy the Zappa clip.

Aaron, honestly man, I am disappointed in you.  But, hey, it is your site, so do as you see fit.  I would have hoped that you wouldn&#039;t assume that the images are &quot;meant to incite anger and intolerance of others.&quot;  The images, as I see it, were a test in freedom of expression.  I don&#039;t like either one, but I defned their right to exist.

All in all though, I suppose switching it to a link so that each person can make the choice to see it for themselves seems reasonable, but I support putting it right out there.  I&#039;m not a hater, and I hope people wouldn&#039;t think so because I posted it.  Ultimately, I&#039;ll never know.

The Iranian president, if he were to have a complete and correct philosophy, should have also called for no violence towards the Jews.  I think it is ok to put the images out there, but also to simultaneously have a zero-tolerance policy towards violence.  Since he wants and suuports violance aimed at the Jews, he is a douchebag (with nukes).  But that means that the people who were angered by the Muslim&#039;s negative reaction to the Danish images are douchebags too.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.

And to clarify (since this is a touchy subject), I only support the Muslims who verbally expressed their offense at the Danish images.  Some Muslims sent death threats to the editors of those newspapers, and obviously I disagree with that wholeheartedly

Peaceful debate is what the Middle East needs to learn.  If both sides don&#039;t grow up, alot more inncoent people are going to die needlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, I am not propagating anything other than free speech.  I do not hate Jews.  I do not hate Muslims.  The opinion that I have is that I should be allowed to post these images, which is why I posted the images.  Jamie, you will enjoy the Zappa clip.</p>
<p>Aaron, honestly man, I am disappointed in you.  But, hey, it is your site, so do as you see fit.  I would have hoped that you wouldn&#8217;t assume that the images are &#8220;meant to incite anger and intolerance of others.&#8221;  The images, as I see it, were a test in freedom of expression.  I don&#8217;t like either one, but I defned their right to exist.</p>
<p>All in all though, I suppose switching it to a link so that each person can make the choice to see it for themselves seems reasonable, but I support putting it right out there.  I&#8217;m not a hater, and I hope people wouldn&#8217;t think so because I posted it.  Ultimately, I&#8217;ll never know.</p>
<p>The Iranian president, if he were to have a complete and correct philosophy, should have also called for no violence towards the Jews.  I think it is ok to put the images out there, but also to simultaneously have a zero-tolerance policy towards violence.  Since he wants and suuports violance aimed at the Jews, he is a douchebag (with nukes).  But that means that the people who were angered by the Muslim&#8217;s negative reaction to the Danish images are douchebags too.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>And to clarify (since this is a touchy subject), I only support the Muslims who verbally expressed their offense at the Danish images.  Some Muslims sent death threats to the editors of those newspapers, and obviously I disagree with that wholeheartedly</p>
<p>Peaceful debate is what the Middle East needs to learn.  If both sides don&#8217;t grow up, alot more inncoent people are going to die needlessly.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2328</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;ve decided I can&#039;t really host something meant to incite both anger and intolerance of others.  I&#039;ve cut it down to just a link for now, if you want to view the cartoon(s), they&#039;re accessible through the link.  The point of the Iranian competition was simply to anger and offend the Jewish people,  and in many ways displaying the cartoon was an endorsement of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ve decided I can&#8217;t really host something meant to incite both anger and intolerance of others.  I&#8217;ve cut it down to just a link for now, if you want to view the cartoon(s), they&#8217;re accessible through the link.  The point of the Iranian competition was simply to anger and offend the Jewish people,  and in many ways displaying the cartoon was an endorsement of that.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2327</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess my point was that i hoped you had the common sense not to post the images.  i am all for free speech.  i also have the right to ignore stupidity.    

to some degree i am playing the devil&#039;s advocate, but to be honest i feel that by posting that image or the danish image, you are propagating hate on the internet- yes, you have the right to do it, but i would hope that you wouldn&#039;t.  

josh, your argument is that anyone should be allowed to publish their opinion.  i completely agree. so why are you posting these images?  are they your opinion?  are they necessary for some argument you were making?

and no, i never watched the zappa thing.  can&#039;t really watch movies at work, i&#039;ll try and catch it at home sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess my point was that i hoped you had the common sense not to post the images.  i am all for free speech.  i also have the right to ignore stupidity.    </p>
<p>to some degree i am playing the devil&#8217;s advocate, but to be honest i feel that by posting that image or the danish image, you are propagating hate on the internet- yes, you have the right to do it, but i would hope that you wouldn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>josh, your argument is that anyone should be allowed to publish their opinion.  i completely agree. so why are you posting these images?  are they your opinion?  are they necessary for some argument you were making?</p>
<p>and no, i never watched the zappa thing.  can&#8217;t really watch movies at work, i&#8217;ll try and catch it at home sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2326</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to add that it is possible to think that an image like this would spark violence towards Muslims or Jews, respectively.  The correct approach, in my opinion, is not to censor the imagery, but instead to adobt a zero-tolerance approach towards violence aimed at either party.

Stciks and stones will breaks my bones but words will never hurt me.  This is okay for children, who use words to get back at each other, but in the adult world, there is more to consider.  To call someone a jerk, or a Jew, or a Muslim is okay.  But let&#039;s say I called you a pedophile.  That could permanently ruin a person&#039;s reputation, and permanently make life considerably more difficult for that person.

So I disagree with slander (saying it) and libel (printing it), but I defend a person&#039;s right to say &quot;I hate Muslims,&quot; or &quot;I hate Jews.&quot;  They are providing their opinion, and people should be allowed to have opinions.  Opinions are fine, defmation is not.  I do not consider either picture defamation.

The empowering part is that even though some shitty group has the right to say their shitty thing, YOU have the right to form a group and say that you think they are wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add that it is possible to think that an image like this would spark violence towards Muslims or Jews, respectively.  The correct approach, in my opinion, is not to censor the imagery, but instead to adobt a zero-tolerance approach towards violence aimed at either party.</p>
<p>Stciks and stones will breaks my bones but words will never hurt me.  This is okay for children, who use words to get back at each other, but in the adult world, there is more to consider.  To call someone a jerk, or a Jew, or a Muslim is okay.  But let&#8217;s say I called you a pedophile.  That could permanently ruin a person&#8217;s reputation, and permanently make life considerably more difficult for that person.</p>
<p>So I disagree with slander (saying it) and libel (printing it), but I defend a person&#8217;s right to say &#8220;I hate Muslims,&#8221; or &#8220;I hate Jews.&#8221;  They are providing their opinion, and people should be allowed to have opinions.  Opinions are fine, defmation is not.  I do not consider either picture defamation.</p>
<p>The empowering part is that even though some shitty group has the right to say their shitty thing, YOU have the right to form a group and say that you think they are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeko</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the South Park example.  When they lampooned the hell out of Scientology, they pretty much came out and said.  &quot;Yeah, its incredibly offensive, but we offended jews, christians, muslims, and about every other religious group, to NOT offend scientologists because they threaten people with lawsuits would me MORE incensitive.&quot;

I&#039;m not saying I agree with either set of pictures, but I agree with the right of either side to put it out there.

Its this exact reason that groups like the KKK and Neo Nazis CAN peacably assemble and have their rallies.  Its discusting and people are totally right to protest them and make their dislike of the groups known, but they are none the less allowed to say what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the South Park example.  When they lampooned the hell out of Scientology, they pretty much came out and said.  &#8220;Yeah, its incredibly offensive, but we offended jews, christians, muslims, and about every other religious group, to NOT offend scientologists because they threaten people with lawsuits would me MORE incensitive.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I agree with either set of pictures, but I agree with the right of either side to put it out there.</p>
<p>Its this exact reason that groups like the KKK and Neo Nazis CAN peacably assemble and have their rallies.  Its discusting and people are totally right to protest them and make their dislike of the groups known, but they are none the less allowed to say what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2324</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie, come on!  To not post something simply because it will offend someone is very unwise.  Free speech should be *unconditional* always, not conditional on whether or not someone is offended.

In the context of what this post is about, I hope you understand that it was important to show both sides of the argument.  Did you support the Danish images when they were released?  Or did you take offense that Muslims were offended because they showed the face of Mohammed?  I don&#039;t why they should be offened by that, but they are.  If you really believe what you are saying, then I hope you personally took offense with the Danish images.

In a way, you are proving the Iranians right.  No one cared when they were offended, but now that the target of the offense is the Jews, people are pissed about it.  You can&#039;t be for free speech only part of the time when it happens to suit your interests.  All or nothing.

I&#039;m not trying to side with either party.  That&#039;s the point.  Look at both sides equally.

South Park is a great example.  Trey and Matt did the Terry Schiavo case right after she died (like RIGHT after), and then Steve Erwin RIGHT after he died.   Yes, those were offensive episodes to many, but the point was not in trying to offend a group of people, just the fact that it is okay to offend people.  These are just words.  Free speech allows that!!  No one said it was nice, but it is COMPLETELY within the boundaries of free speech.  Once you make a single concession, then the whole thing will crumble.

Jamie, in my opinion, you should have responded with, &quot;Those images offend ME.&quot; and NOT &quot;I can&#039;t believe YOU think no one would be offended by that.&quot;  I shouldn&#039;t have to worry about whether or not someone is offended.  I&#039;m sorry if that viewpoint bothers you.

Also, posting a picture of my mother naked is not the same idea.  That is a privacy thing.  Now, regarding bestiality, in terms of whether or not the content should exist, I say go for it.  Certainly not my cup of tea, but I will defend its right to exist.  McCrappy is a work friendly site, which means nothing sexual.  This post was political in nature which is totally okay.  As far as the swastikas, this isn&#039;t my site, but I would defend someone&#039;s right to post them on their own site.

Fortunately, we are taking part in the proper response to being offened:  peaceful debate.

Also, did you check out my recent post regarding Frank Zappa?  This was a mid to late-eighties interview, and they were asking him about offensive lyrics in songs.  Zappa defended the right for offensive lyrics to exist.  They said, &quot;Well what about incest?  Should songs about incest be allowed to exist?&quot;  His answer was, &quot;Yes!  We aer talking about WORDS!&quot;  I suggest you watch it Jamie, because you&#039;re argument is the same one as Zappa&#039;s opposition on the show.  If you do watch it, I think you will see to censor speech in any form is bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie, come on!  To not post something simply because it will offend someone is very unwise.  Free speech should be *unconditional* always, not conditional on whether or not someone is offended.</p>
<p>In the context of what this post is about, I hope you understand that it was important to show both sides of the argument.  Did you support the Danish images when they were released?  Or did you take offense that Muslims were offended because they showed the face of Mohammed?  I don&#8217;t why they should be offened by that, but they are.  If you really believe what you are saying, then I hope you personally took offense with the Danish images.</p>
<p>In a way, you are proving the Iranians right.  No one cared when they were offended, but now that the target of the offense is the Jews, people are pissed about it.  You can&#8217;t be for free speech only part of the time when it happens to suit your interests.  All or nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to side with either party.  That&#8217;s the point.  Look at both sides equally.</p>
<p>South Park is a great example.  Trey and Matt did the Terry Schiavo case right after she died (like RIGHT after), and then Steve Erwin RIGHT after he died.   Yes, those were offensive episodes to many, but the point was not in trying to offend a group of people, just the fact that it is okay to offend people.  These are just words.  Free speech allows that!!  No one said it was nice, but it is COMPLETELY within the boundaries of free speech.  Once you make a single concession, then the whole thing will crumble.</p>
<p>Jamie, in my opinion, you should have responded with, &#8220;Those images offend ME.&#8221; and NOT &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe YOU think no one would be offended by that.&#8221;  I shouldn&#8217;t have to worry about whether or not someone is offended.  I&#8217;m sorry if that viewpoint bothers you.</p>
<p>Also, posting a picture of my mother naked is not the same idea.  That is a privacy thing.  Now, regarding bestiality, in terms of whether or not the content should exist, I say go for it.  Certainly not my cup of tea, but I will defend its right to exist.  McCrappy is a work friendly site, which means nothing sexual.  This post was political in nature which is totally okay.  As far as the swastikas, this isn&#8217;t my site, but I would defend someone&#8217;s right to post them on their own site.</p>
<p>Fortunately, we are taking part in the proper response to being offened:  peaceful debate.</p>
<p>Also, did you check out my recent post regarding Frank Zappa?  This was a mid to late-eighties interview, and they were asking him about offensive lyrics in songs.  Zappa defended the right for offensive lyrics to exist.  They said, &#8220;Well what about incest?  Should songs about incest be allowed to exist?&#8221;  His answer was, &#8220;Yes!  We aer talking about WORDS!&#8221;  I suggest you watch it Jamie, because you&#8217;re argument is the same one as Zappa&#8217;s opposition on the show.  If you do watch it, I think you will see to censor speech in any form is bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2323</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shame you posted the image.  a link to the place you got it from would have been fine.  That is an INCREDIBLY offensive image, i can&#039;t believe that you think no one would be offended by that.

and yeah, offensive is, like, totally hilarious these days, but come on man...... have some judgement.  The image suggests that we should make israel a concentration camp.  

in the name of free speech should we post a bunch of swastikas on mccrappy?  a bunch of hardcore porn?  bestiality?  bin laden support info?  pictures of josh&#039;s mom naked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shame you posted the image.  a link to the place you got it from would have been fine.  That is an INCREDIBLY offensive image, i can&#8217;t believe that you think no one would be offended by that.</p>
<p>and yeah, offensive is, like, totally hilarious these days, but come on man&#8230;&#8230; have some judgement.  The image suggests that we should make israel a concentration camp.  </p>
<p>in the name of free speech should we post a bunch of swastikas on mccrappy?  a bunch of hardcore porn?  bestiality?  bin laden support info?  pictures of josh&#8217;s mom naked?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Family Guy RuLeZ!!!</description>
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		<title>By: cheeko</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We at McCrappy are nothing it not equal opportunity offensive.  Except hookers.  Being offensive to hookers is not ok, because most are dead inside anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We at McCrappy are nothing it not equal opportunity offensive.  Except hookers.  Being offensive to hookers is not ok, because most are dead inside anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeko</title>
		<link>http://mccrappy.com/?p=601&#038;cpage=1#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>cheeko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh I already saved the image, just wasn&#039;t sure if the traffic meant it made sense to save offsite.

How about this for a compromise.  Go find a copy of the original Danish image.  Put them both in the same post side by side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh I already saved the image, just wasn&#8217;t sure if the traffic meant it made sense to save offsite.</p>
<p>How about this for a compromise.  Go find a copy of the original Danish image.  Put them both in the same post side by side.</p>
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